I get emails all of the time with a basic drum description
and a serial number from visitors in hopes I can unlock the history
of their drum. I think in general serial numbers do play an important
role in the commercial market especially electronics and other
high end items. In the 60's Insurance companies made it mandatory
that serial numbers be put on items so they can be documented.
Unfortunately drum companies never really prescribed to any code
of documenting a drum based on that serial number. In fact I once
heard that they started using serial numbers not for their own
use per say but so schools and institutions could keep track of
instruments in inventory.
I also get people asking what factory a drum might have shipped
from or the exact month a drum was made or even the production
numbers etc. The ever important serial number which some companies
keep detailed records of unfortunately does not exist in the history
of drums. We also have to state that much of the record keeping
was archaic at best and in some cases history was destroyed in
plant fires or just tossed in the garbage!.
With that said many drum companies never even used serial numbers
early on. In most cases the best way to estimate the date of a
drum is its physical characteristics. Fortunately
drum companies since the 40's were good at printing catalogs.
Earlier catalog examples do exist, but are rare and expensive
to acquire. In most cases they also included a host of other band
instruments and items related to the music business. These catalogs
although re-printed in some cases from year to year with limited
changes do provide a timeline of when finishes were added and
when hardware was used and or changed on drums.
Unfortunately still there is no exact science or way to pinpoint
an exact date of a drums manufacture. As collectors and historians
we have to settle for a date range or a specific year at best.
That being said some drums did get date stamped on the inside
shell and that is the most accurate indication when a drum was
made. The problem was that the stamp was created with an ink that
easily wiped off during routine cleanings!
Even if a serial number badge does exist on a drum anomalies
do occur and that is because the badges did not have an inventory
control system. A more historical perspective and history of this
practice was documented by Vintage Drum Center and can be read
here.
It is also common knowledge that finishes that were discontinued
were kept in inventory and people would order them, so production
would use the finish. That throws the date of the drum off! This
happened with hardware and badges and these companies were competing
in an ever aggressive market and had to do what needed to be done
to remain profitable. This is especially the case when import
drums started flooding the market with a lower priced alternative
set of drums.
Quick Company Guide:
Ludwig Drum Company - Information Below
Slingerland Drums - Click
Here
Rogers Drums - A few people are trying to create a guide, but
the best way is the physical characteristics
Leedy - Physical characteristics
Gretsch - Physical characteristics
Anyone left out - Physical characterisitics
So if you finally made it to this point then you are almost there!
Below you will find information for dating the serial numbers
on Ludwig Drums.
Here are some references you can use to date by serial number.
The web site link is available so feel free to visit their web
sites and learn more. I only put them in one location to make
it easier for people to get the information.
Vintage
Drum Center 60's Ludwig dating guide: Also if you wish to
purchase vintage drums or new drum gear this is the place to go!
If you have this badge you can't use the serial number guides
below. Click Here
Ludwig
1960’s Serial Number Time Chart #1 |
DATE |
SERIAL
NUMBER |
1960
to late 1963 |
no
serial numbers used |
February
24, 1964 |
12,219 |
April,
1964 |
31,505 |
April,
1965 |
142,581 |
July
6, 1965 |
171,268 |
October,
1965 |
233,838 |
March
19, 1966 |
308,863 |
August
30, 1966 |
361,292 |
November,
1966 |
390,690 |
March,
1967 |
427,211 |
June,
1967 |
493,426 |
November
15, 1967 |
519,728 |
February
6, 1968 |
578,990 |
June
21, 1968 |
604,865 |
November,
1968 |
650,521 |
January,
1969 |
673,078 |
February
26, 1969 |
689,430 |
September
4, 1969 |
743,080 |
Ludwig
1960’s Serial Number Time Chart #2 |
DATE |
SERIAL
NUMBER |
1960
to late 1963 |
no
serial numbers used |
1964 |
0
133,000 |
1965 |
133,000
266,000 |
1966 |
266,000
399,000 |
1967 |
399,000
532,000 |
1968 |
532,000
665,000 |
1969 |
665,000
798,000* |
*
Note: At approximately the 750,000 mark in the serial number
sequence, Ludwig discontinued the brass Keystone badge and
replaced it with the blue and olive parallelogram-shaped
badge. |
The
Ludwig Drummer.com dating guide from their web site. Only
presented because the web site has been going down so I wanted
it documented here
Rebeats.com
historian Rob Cook also a personal friend has an excellent book
about ludwig drums you can find by visiting his web site.
Here is the dating guide for 60's and 70's Ludwig
Drums. The Ludwig Book is invaluable to me as a collector and
I strongly suggest you consider buying all of Rob's Books! His
books are a complete guide and offers more insight then these
tables.
Keystone Badges |
|
1961-1962: |
No Numbers |
1963 |
No Numbers - 7900 |
1964 |
9xxx - 33449 |
1965 |
108532 - 259xxx |
1966 |
260xxx - 449xxx |
1967 |
450xxx - 548xxx |
1968 |
549xxx - 665372 |
1969 |
670xxx - 741215 |
Blue & Olive Badges |
|
1969 |
765xxx - 834xxx |
1970 |
out of sequence,unnunmered |
1971 |
835xxx - 895xxx |
1972 |
896xxx - 916xxx |
1976 |
917xxx - 1290xxx |
1978 |
xxxxxxx |
1979 |
xxxxxxx - 2013537 |
|